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Should BART Charge More for Parking When Demand is High?

The transit agency is considering market-based fees, which would hike rates when lots are full.

BART figures it costs the agency around $2 a day to maintain, illuminate and police each parking spot in its system. The daily rates riders pay run between $1 and $3. Monthly passes work out to $2 and $4 a day, and long-term parking is $5 a day in the East Bay and $6 in San Francisco and the Peninsula.

That price structure may change. Here’s what BART has to say about a plan to introduce market-based parking fees:

To cover the costs of providing parking, as well as to help renovate BART's aging infrastructure, keep the cost of BART fares down, and to improve BART service, BART is considering charging market-based fees for its parking spaces. This means that parking fees at a particular station would be based on the demand for parking at that station. At stations where parking lots are full, the parking fees may be increased up to two times per year. It is expected that daily fees at most stations would be increased in 50 cent increments, while monthly reserved parking would be increased by $10.50 (which works out to about 50 cents per day). If parking lots are no longer full, the fees would be decreased.

BART is also considering market-based fees with a price cap. With a price cap, it is expected that daily parking fees would range from $1 - $3 at most stations, based on demand. Monthly reserved parking would range from $42 - $126 at most stations, based on demand. 

What do you think about market-based fees? 

Do you think higher parking rates could cause drivers who might've used BART to simply stay in their cars and not use public transportation at all? 

Do you think it will make it easier to find parking during the morning commute?

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Chris Nicholson December 7, 2012 at 05:27 pm
@Matt: ever hear of gas tax? That's where a large chunk of road funding comes from. I would support raising gas taxes to fully pay for major roads, but only if politicians could be trusted with the money (they can't).
@Mimi: Agreed in part, but have to have a consistent policy across the sector. Can't subsidize roads and buses and expect BART to survive in a skewed market.
Onions and Opinions Make You Cry December 7, 2012 at 05:41 pm
I see a lot of cars parking at BART that only have one occupant. If this demand pricing is so wretched, then how about having BART create some spaces for carpoolers and give those folks a discounted deal on parking? If you don't want to pay the higher rates then carpool to the station.
Onions and Opinions Make You Cry December 7, 2012 at 05:53 pm
You could always hope for a broken meter near the BART station.
"Starting Jan. 1, drivers across California will be able to park at broken parking meters without receiving a ticket, thanks to a new state law signed by Gov. Jerry Brown on Monday." - http://pacificpalisades.patch.com/articles/bill-allows-parking-at-broken-meters-e5e77d99
Matt December 7, 2012 at 05:59 pm
@Chris Nicholson: The gas tax hasn't increased in decades and doesn't come anywhere close to covering construction and maintenance of our streets and highways. With the number of hybrids and electric vehicles paying very little in gas taxes, yet having the same impact on our roads, the gas tax as we know it today will be useless in a few years. A VMT (vehicle miles traveled) system of taxing is one solution that doesn't rely on the amount of gas your car uses, but instead on the number of miles you drive.
Onions and Opinions Make You Cry December 7, 2012 at 06:01 pm
Although this does make you wonder how many drivers will now be carrying hammers with them....
I'm not sure that I would take advantage of a broken meter because this bill was authored by a Democrat - and gasp - our very own Democrat - DeSaulnier. Agreeing with a bill authored Democrat? My family would be horrified.
C Note December 7, 2012 at 06:33 pm
The justification for a tax is that it benefits everyone, by getting cars off the road thus reducing traffic and pollution and by enabling a mobile labor force. The justification for market driven prices is that obviously the service particularly benefits those that use it, so they should be paying for that.
For parking specifically, if you charge below-market rates that money has to come from somewhere, meaning most likely that the commuters who walk to BART or take the bus will be subsidizing those who drive with their fare dollars. BART parking already uses a market-driven approach by charging different rates for different classes of parking. I support this approach as it allows people who need the spots on a daily basis to pay a premium for reserved spots. With that said, the fact that there is a huge wait list for reserved spots at most stations does indicate they should be charging more. It's not just a question of providing more revenue for a cash-strapped transit agency, although that is a worthy goal. It is ridiculous to have to wait two years to get a parking space at your local BART station. If dynamic pricing or higher prices generally would help alleviate that, it is a good idea. I do think that if they want to charge more for parking that at least some of the dollars should go to increasing parking capacity.
Chris Nicholson December 7, 2012 at 06:59 pm
@Matt: In five years you'll be right and the tracking technology will be ubiquitous. For now, gas tax is decent proxy and encourages conservation. I don't understand the argument to NOT have roads self fund with user fees, so long as the administration of such a plan is feasible which, with current and emerging technology, it is. With GPS/Cellular parts costing ~$30, you can do your VMT system, plus time of use and virtual toll road pricing.
If we want to avoid pricing out the very poor, we should simply increase their cash welfare benefits / EITC. Of course, logically you'd need to reduce general taxes to offset the user fees.
Matt December 7, 2012 at 10:11 pm
@ Chris Nicholson: Oregon is testing a program that has the gas pump determine how many miles you've traveled since your last fill-up, and determines the road user tax based on that. My overall point though, is that its unfair to pick on BART (and other transit) for not paying for themselves without a subsidy, as the alternative (roads) also relies on taxpayer subsidies. It's the overall benefit to society that makes the subsidy worth it (for both modes), in my opinion.
Chris Nicholson December 7, 2012 at 10:20 pm
@TG: Your conceptual point is fair, but the only reasonable ultimate conclusion is that these comp packages (especially benefits/pension) are way above private sector analogs.
George McRae December 8, 2012 at 03:54 pm
EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!! "when Demand is high" Demand is ALWYS high at Bart. This is BART's version of an Orwellian doublespeak. And at any rate BART is in the real estate business anyway, turning it's property into high paying development. The Board and all the isiodts who run BART should be tarred and feathered!
Edward December 8, 2012 at 08:01 pm
With Electric, Natural Gas, LP Gas Automobiles and Bio-Diesel made at home, Road use Taxes are not being paid anyway. it may be time to use that required smog chek every two years to collect a milage tax in order to re-register. Eliminate the Gasoline tax paid at the pump and tax on the real usage of our roads. Weight of vehicle and miles driven. The required 54 miles per gallon will either break the State or require a doubling of the Road Use Tax on Gasoline. We need another verifiable way and those new "BLACK BOXES" they are proposing for all new cars might just hold the answer. Those "BLACK BOXES could do what SMART METERS are doing a transmit the latest Odometer reading to the State who could bill you with your utility, phone or Credit card bill. Billing monthly would keep the charge under $20.00 monthly for most people who drive. It would also encourage people to drive less each month and take Mass Trasit for long trips into the city.
Edward December 9, 2012 at 01:06 am
Bicycle riding is good when you are not trying to carry a bag of groceries or tools and ladders. They have their place and foldable electrical scooters or bicycles that could be taken on BART would give you a lift at both ends of your BART/BUS ride.
dj December 9, 2012 at 12:15 pm
Went on BART yesterday. People smoking and eating whole meals on both platforms. No announcements. Makes you wonder about safety. Trains were 20 minutes apart. When my husband got on, there was someone selling food off of a cart on the platform. The bathrooms are closed. The escalators in SF were not running. And yet, if you need to go to the doctor during the week, you still can't find a parking space.
Jennifer December 9, 2012 at 05:03 pm
"Opinions"--that is what is often wrong with Republican thinking. Insead of looking at whether or not a solution makes sense, you automatically vote against it just because it was proposed by a Democrat.
Edward December 11, 2012 at 04:56 pm
BART was the "GREEN" answer before Hybrid or all electric Automobiles. Putting Solar panels on one's roof or back yard and running your home and charging your electric Automobile from the Sun is "GREENER" than hydrocarbon burning utility fed BART. Using higher parking fees to install solar panel covered parking spots over the next 5 years would not only give the conumers a shaded spot to park, but, would put and additional $2.00 per day in electrical savings on train and station opperations. Using that money to pay bonuses to BART Management is not "GREEN" or forwad thinking. The electrical savings could be used to make more money available to maintining bathrooms, policing food activities and with enough solar instalation, make BART the "GREENER CHOICE".
Chris J Kapsalis December 11, 2012 at 06:52 pm
Most electricity is made from burning coal. Nothing green about electricty.
jeffrey olsen December 11, 2012 at 09:26 pm
BART is a typical sample of mix capitalism and socialism in one vial.
BART was constructed on public money,huge money, but used by unions for blackmailing of taxpayers every one -two years.The result is the most expensive public transit in the world.70% of BART expenses -salaries and benefits of BART workers.You can see these salaries in Sacramento Bee state salaries (without their fantastic benefits).state agent(you can see these persons every day playing ,reading fictions,talking with BART police officers) makes from 80000 to 150000 dollars. i don't tell about train operators ,whose only responsibility is to check doors before the train will start.In initial project of BART were no train operators at all ,like in European systems,but for testing they decided to use train operators temporary. now they make from 150000 dollars,we need cost-effective,affordable BART, BART is a public asset,not the asset of unions.All directors of BART are in union pocket,the sample is outgoing director from San Leandro Franklin who sold his director chair for a lucrative bart position ,FOR which doesn't have education or experience.do you believe higher rates for parking provide new parking slots? do you know that new very expensive cars for BART have much less seats,somebody will receive their kick back ,but you spent 30-40 minutes more on your feet before you start your work day.we should unite against bart unions for affordable,comfortable bart!!!!!!
Bob Brittain December 11, 2012 at 09:58 pm
@ Chris,
Your statement that most electricity is generated from coal might be true nationwaide, I haven't done the research. However, according to the PG&E website, their carbon footprint on only half the national average, a large portion of their electricity is from hydroelectric and other renewable sources and the proportion from coal is only 1%: http://www.pge.com/about/environment/pge/cleanenergy/
Chris J Kapsalis December 11, 2012 at 10:05 pm
Power plants make electricity out of other forms of energy. Most electricity in the U.S. today comes from converting the heat energy released from burning fossil fuels--coal, natural gas and oil. The rest is generated from nuclear reactors and from renewable sources, such as sunlight, wind, falling water and geothermal heat (see Renewables, Unit 5).
In a typical power plant, a primary energy source like coal is burned to create heat, which is converted in a boiler to mechanical energy in the form of superheated, high-pressure steam. The steam is directed into a turbine, where it pushes on blades attached to a central shaft or rotor. The rapidly spinning rotor powers a generator.
Chris J Kapsalis December 11, 2012 at 10:15 pm
Also @ Bob, "Large proportion?" Less than 20% is a large proportion?" I am very skeptical. They are twisting things, because they buy electricty for their grid. so what they make may be, what they use may not be. Exagerated facts imo.
Chris J Kapsalis December 11, 2012 at 10:18 pm
@ Bob. The goal was to reach 20% of CA electicity made by renewable resorces by 2011. Not sure if we reached it. Here is a bunch of information on where our electricty comes from ( some from out of state ) and how it is produced in CA. We may not make it out of coal here, but nation wide coal is number one, and it all goes on the grid. I looked into having solor generate eletricity to charge my electric vehical in 2007 and there was not a way at the time to do it. We have the area to do it, but at least I could not find out how to do it or where to buy a solor powered generator back then. I would if I could. So my electric vehical was not "green" as they said it was if the electricity came from burning fossil fuel. http://energyalmanac.ca.gov/electricity/
Chris Nicholson December 11, 2012 at 10:30 pm
@Chris K: Umm.... nukes are renewable for all intents and purposes. Why not count them in the "good" bucket?
@Edward: Primary intent of BART was never to be "green," but rather to augment people moving capacity of cars on roads. Solar does not pencil out in the real world. BART buys power at about $0.10/kWh and does not benefit from tax credits/incentives. PV Solar only makes economic sense given the nonsensical PG&E rate tiers and Federal and State subsidies. PV Solar is not ready for prime time in most applications. As an aside, I have a PV Solar system and use it to charge my Chevy Volt.
Chris Nicholson December 11, 2012 at 10:34 pm
There is no capitalism in the BART vial. Otherwise I generally agree with your rant/post.
Edward December 11, 2012 at 11:55 pm
No, you should be asking for more BART CARS so that you get a seat. and as far as wages go $32.00 per hour, on the Check, plus $18.00 in medical, Dental, Pension plan investments per employee for 2000 hours would be $100,000.00 per year. Throw in foreman pay, overtime and sickleave accumulation and buy out you could end up with a $120,000.00 to $150,000.00 pay package which is comparable to construction workers, Medical workers and AutoMechanics. Many retirees remember $1.50 minimum Wage days in the 1960s and try to equate todays wages that way. A dollar today buys about 10 cents worth of 1960 items. Union workers have been mostly able to keep up with inflation while non-union workers have fallen behind. The non-union cry "Sour Grapes" because they are afraid to ask the boss for a pay raise.
Chris Nicholson December 12, 2012 at 12:03 am
@Edward: Would the world be a better place if iPhones were made with union labor? I want the government to be as efficient as possible (highest service levels per dollar of spend) with my taxes/fees, do you?
Why should I be asked to reduce my retirement savings to pay more taxes to fund a better pension than I can afford for myself?
Edward December 12, 2012 at 12:14 am
@Chris N...you are one of the good guys with solar and a Chevy Volt. Do you use BART now that you have the green solution ? The Electric Tier System is why I installed Solar because the 49 cents per KWHr in tier 5, in 2010, I was paying, made Solar a better choice. The TVA in the Mid west, using coal, only charges 8 cents per KWHr and it would be hard to get those people to switch because of economics. I feel that if BART invested all the extra money they get from parking fees on Solar Instalations over Parking lots and along BART right-aways, they could save enough money over 25 years to make BART a more economical as well as a greener choice to other destinations other than S.F. It would also add value to the Parking because there would be less HEAT and Direct Sunlight on cars making the Cars cooler for the commuters and saving the interiors and paint jobs of their cars. Better Parking, more revenue, greener power..
Edward December 12, 2012 at 12:28 am
@ Chris N...You should not be asked to fund a pension that is better than yours...You should also be getting the great pension other workers get and that is the draw to get people to leave the private sector and work for BART. Since they have such a great pension, why don't you work for a companiy that has the same great pensions and Wages? This is a perfect example why UNION Workers get more from whoever they work for than their non-Union counterparts. The Unions have "Mussle" and the individual does not. (A strike of "one person" will not get a better compensation) You are worth every bit as much as any other Hard Working Person and if you are not being compensated enough, you need to get a raise or go work for someone who values your worth and is willing to show it with MONEY. Your hard work and productivity should be rewarded. You are not growing any younger and need to be getting your worth now before you fall off your peak.
Alex Gronke (Editor) December 20, 2012 at 09:46 pm
http://berkeley.patch.com/articles/what-do-the-two-new-bart-directors-need-to-know
BART has two new directors.
srl99 January 20, 2013 at 11:27 am
What are the station agents paying for their reserved parking? Multiple parking spots reserved for "Station Agent on Duty" ... that tells an important story, BART is good enough for you to collect a paycheck (and pension!) from, but you wouldn't want to actually use it to get to work yourself.
tr January 20, 2013 at 04:27 pm
...and since O'bama gets 24/7 armed security, so should you.
silly comment. maybe u should work for bart if u think it's such a great job.
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