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Should East Bay Schools Follow the NRA's Suggestion of Having More Armed Volunteers on Campuses?

"The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun," the NRA's Wayne LaPierre said.

In a Friday morning press conference, the National Rifle Association broke its weeklong silence following the horrific shooting of 26 people at a school in Newtown, CT and called for a surge of gun-carrying "good guys" around American schools.

NRA Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre called for a new kind of American domestic security revolving around armed civilians, arguing that "the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun."

"We care about our president, so we protect him with armed Secret Service agents," LaPierre said. "Members of Congress work in offices surrounded by Capitol Police officers. Yet, when it comes to our most beloved, innocent, and vulnerable members of the American family, our children, we as a society leave them every day utterly defenseless, and the monsters and the predators of the world know it, and exploit it."

LaPierre's speech was a call to supporters to mobilize around a new vision of American domestic security, at a time when voices for gun control are steadily rising. On Friday morning before the press conference, President Obama released a video (above) citing a petition by hundreds of Americans calling for swift action.

At the grassroots level, groups like Newtown United, a group of Newtown neighbors, are working to address major issues related to the tragedy, including gun control, violent media, mental health and legislation.

In stark contrast, LaPierre called for a great mobilization of gun-carrying "good guys," a term he used repeatedly but did not define, who could be more present and respond more quickly than police.

"If we truly cherish our kids, more than our money, more than our celebrities, more than our sports stadiums, we must give them the greatest level of protection possible," LaPierre said. "And that security is only available with properly trained, armed 'good guys'."

LaPierre, who was interrupted twice by protesters who held signs in front of TV cameras, made a direct call for local action.

"I call on every parent. I call on every teacher. I call on every school administrator, every law enforcement officer in this country, to join with us and help create a national schools shield safety program to protect our children with the only positive line of defense that’s tested and proven to work," he said.

In his speech, LaPierre also accused the media of selling "violence against its own people" through violent video games, music videos and "blood-soaked" films. He did not take questions from reporters, and did not acknowledge the protesters.

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shirley kirsten December 22, 2012 at 11:51 pm
Yes, I also noted the Australian gun safety enactments covered on Amy Goodman's program. Very impressive.
Robyn Nicar December 23, 2012 at 12:11 am
Rob, again you are right. The NRA needs to stop pandering their BS and hiding behind the second amendment and the GOP as many gun "nuts" do. And yes, shame on them!
Jeremy Giddings December 23, 2012 at 01:00 am
Mr LaPierre's proposal that we solve the problem of uncontrolled guns with more guns is just plain stupid. Yes, people with bad intentions will always find a way to harm others, but failing to control the kind of weapons available today--highly efficient, high capacity--is wrong. Just plain wrong. If someone with a dangerous medical condition is not allowed to operate a motor vehicle (doctors must report such individuals to the DMV), why shouldn't any person--or household, for that matter--with identified self-destructive or anti-social tendencies be denied access to weapons?
Stewart Gooderman December 23, 2012 at 04:03 am
The NRA is a bully pulpit supported primarily by the gun manufacturers. The NRA uses its vast monetary resources (from the gun manufacturers) to support political candidates who must promise to vote in legislation that the NRA approves or creates. If they don't, these politicians are summarily booted out by the NRA removing the cash flow and supporting a candidate they put up to oppose the politician. The gun manufacturers make money selling guns. Any idea that gets more guns sold is what they are after. So, the idea is that EVERYBODY should be carrying a gun, just like everybody must have auto insurance, or for that matter, health insurance.
Think about a time when such a scenario existed: It was called the Wild, Wild West. Supposedly civilized society back east thought such a situation was barbaric. As the West was tamed and civilized, the need for guns disappeared as the land created organized methods for controlling crime. Everybody being armed with guns has no place in a civized society.
Jean Womack December 23, 2012 at 06:16 am
The schools need to enforce the rules they already have, which are no guns, knives, alcohol or illegal drugs on campus. That includes no toy guns, like water pistols. There should be a zero tolerance for any kind of gun on campus and then people would automatically stop at the front door and remember not to bring a gun on to campus. Unfortunately we have grownups with a chip on their shoulder saying nobody is going to tell me what to do, and no one is going to take my gun away from me. And they unfortunately do have access to the schools and care not one iota about the no guns on campus rule. Who is going to enforce those rules if the local security guards and cops refuse to do so, or can't do so without retaliation?
Jean Womack December 23, 2012 at 06:19 am
And by the way, I think that rigorous math means memorizing math formulas, because I know that the CCC calculus teacher likes his students to have their formulas memorized. Unfortunately I did not do that because I was not asked to do that by the algebra instructor who was able to teach us algebra without making us memorize equations.
Jean Womack December 23, 2012 at 06:42 am
Of course you can't take the uniformed police officers' guns away from them because those guns are part of their uniform. But no one else in a school needs a gun. The teachers go to college to learn how to control students without using force or threats. That's one reason we are called professionals.
Jon Meyers December 23, 2012 at 01:34 pm
The answer to gun-related violence is not more guns.
The answer is also not just gun control alone.
Jean Womack December 23, 2012 at 02:34 pm
The problem is that the school personnel were teaching the kids themselves to chase unauthorized visitors away from the school yard by throwing things at the person, rather than the kids calling school security or the principal to come and help them. Isn't it preferable to have a police officer at the school to monitor who gets to come on the campus, rather than the kids doing that? The kids call the police officer and he or she does the job they are trained to do, instead of the kids doing it themselves. And you can train people not to bring guns on campus just like you can train them not to walk into a school smoking a cigarette.
G.C. December 23, 2012 at 03:12 pm
To "Retired Teacher",
I agree with you except that I would send the mental health folks to all of our schools. In my short 3 years as a teacher in Richmond, I saw kids living in unimaginable situations. I'm not talking about poverty. I'm talking about some very troubling situations. They came to school haunted and overwhelmed. School was the last thing on their minds. Any teacher could see they needed help. Our schools are supposed to build confidence, but for many of these kids dealing with adult situations, our schools only shatter their confidence as they fall farther and farther behind. Our schools become one more place where these kids do not feel welcome because many of them have been derailed by problems they do not even comprehend. For starters, we need teachers who have the time to perform their duties, not teachers who are overwhelmed with an excess of students or teachers who are still students themselves, still learning their trade. With this equation, such children will continue to fall through the cracks. At my high school, we had peer counseling. It was a great program where we could talk things out with a qualified counselor. Do all schools offer this? If not, they should. The NRA's solution is reactive. We need to be proactive.
Tom Brody December 23, 2012 at 03:34 pm
I agree, at least in spirit, with "Retired Teacher." Wayne LaPierre should take advantage of Atascadero DSH's program for permanent free room and board. Should Mr. LaPierre take advantage of the free residency program at Atascadero DSH, he would likely also be pleased with their complementary medical and dental plan.
Rick Schiller December 23, 2012 at 03:44 pm
Does the NRA really support the second amendment for the sake of its members or is the NRA more a lobby organization for the gun industry that profits from gun sales?
Dover December 23, 2012 at 07:39 pm
Various news agencies report the police response time to this incident at somewhere between ten and twenty minutes. An individual hell-bent on death and destruction could have killed an equal number of unguarded school children with a baseball bat in ten long minutes. Why aren't the police being called into question over their failure to respond to ANYTHING that could have been happening at the school (let alone such carnage) faster than they did?
I also don't hear any concerned Patch parents screaming about the armed guards that can be found in almost every banking institution. Why is it okay for your children to be exposed to their weapons? Why is protecting money with a weapon acceptable but protecting children with a weapon is not? How do you explain this hypocrisy to your children? How do you tell them that your money matters more than their precious little lives?
Stewart Gooderman December 23, 2012 at 07:44 pm
It's a lobby organization.
Michael O'Connor December 23, 2012 at 07:56 pm
You are hilarious'. You should write for The Onion. I have forwarded some of your best work to them, and I expect 10%.
Stewart Gooderman December 23, 2012 at 07:56 pm
Banks are private institutions that hire their own guards to protect their interests.
Schools are public institutions and rely of monies gathered from the public to run. Those monies are generically known as TAXES. You want more protection for children? You want more police and fire in order to have a swifter response? You want to increase the number of guidance counselors and child psychologists to help deal with children in crisis? You/We have to come up with the funds. That means raising taxes (including Corporate taxes), or, pulling the money from some other programs like, say, roads, libraries, military, welfare, seniors, etc. Well, so what will it be? Taxes or programs?
Dover December 23, 2012 at 11:00 pm
"Banks are private institutions that hire their own guards to protect their interests."
Spoken like someone who keeps his money in a mattress. Whose money do you think they use to pay for those guards? Do you imagine it simply appears out of thin air? Wait, maybe you do. But speaking of schools, are you aware that Sidwell Friends in D.C. has ELEVEN security officers on staff? Some are ex-cops and some are indeed well armed. This is in addition to the Secret Service officers on site. We all know what they are packing, don't we? Do you think they will be surrendering their "semi-automatic" weapons at any time in the near or distant future? *chortle* "You want more protection for children? You want more police and fire in order to have a swifter response? You want to increase the number of guidance counselors and child psychologists to help deal with children in crisis?" Hmmm, interesting. I don't recall making any such proposals. Probably because I didn't make any such proposals. If it is really that difficult for you to respond to the things I have actually typed, it may be time for you to take a break from the internet. I would suggest a brisk walk in the night air. Just be sure not to wander into certain neighborhoods. Unless you believe that your self-righteous indignation is indeed bullet-proof. In which case, go for it! :-)
Dover December 23, 2012 at 11:14 pm
P.S. I also don't hear anyone screaming about the armed guards in State and Federal buildings, which do indeed "rely on monies gathered from the public to run." Or how about correctional officers? Let's take away their weapons too! Why not? I'm sure prisoners can be coaxed into good behavior.
And if you REALLY want to be nit-picky about things, it was also tax monies that paid for the ARRA, remember that? Way back when in 2009? So, technically speaking, we (those of us in the approximately 50% who still do pay taxes, that is) did indeed pay for quite a few of those bank and other such security guards, even in institutions we may never visit or profit from. Enjoy your walk! Breathe deeply. Air is still free.
Stewart Gooderman December 24, 2012 at 12:13 am
Mr Dover, Maybe you should learn how to read. Oh, that's right, the budgets for education have been slashed over and over again, so that barely anything can be taught in the schools. Too bad for you.
First banks don't use your money. They use the profits they get from using your money. You can remove your money any time you wish. Do schools make profits that they can use to hire guards? And yes, you asked the question about explaining banks vs children in your statement. And I answered it. But of course, you can't read, can you? And like I said (if you could read, which it doesn't seem like you can) if you want more protection in schools, unless you raise revenue, then perhaps those guards in state and federal buildings will need to be removed because the monies used to pay them will be transferred to the guards protecting the schools. Capiche?? And regarding those *only* 50% who pay taxes: if you believe that, then please forgive me for saying this: you are an IDIOT. My suggestion, take a remedial class in reading (if you can still find one.)
Stewart Gooderman December 24, 2012 at 12:24 am
And add a course in comprehension as well.
Dover December 24, 2012 at 01:52 am
How quickly the old folks forget.
Ten bucks says you praised Bill Clinton's "COPS in School" program with nary a whine about the 60 MILLION spent. ; - )
Dover December 24, 2012 at 01:55 am
P.S. When you have to resort to pejoratives, I know I have hit my mark.
(Pun entirely intentional.)
Dover December 24, 2012 at 02:11 am
"Our hearts are broken today," President Barack Obama said, wiping a (crocodile) tear from his eyes as he reacted to the tragedy. "As a country we have been through this too many times."
But last year, his administration took a less muted tone as it submitted its 2012 Education Department budget to Congress that eliminated the Readiness and Emergency Management for Schools (REMS) funding, which for years provided between $20 million and $30 million in annual grants to help schools create emergency and crisis preparation and prevention plans for tragedies just like the one that unfolded Friday. The Education Department’s Web site says it last made REMS grants in 2011. The funding was cut off even though the Government Accountability Office, the investigative arm of Congress, warned in 2007 that many “many school district officials said that they experience challenges in planning for emergencies due to a lack of equipment, training for staff, and expertise and some school districts face difficulties in communicating and coordinating with first responders and parents.” Cue liberal outrage in three....two.......one...... Eh? What's that you say? It's Bush's fault? ; - )
Jean Womack December 24, 2012 at 02:29 am
If you have a young veteran home from Afghanistan or Iraq or some other country were they were carrying a gun, and that kid goes on to school grounds and is attacked by the children and harassed by school personnell for what whatever reason they have to harass him. And the kids throw rocks at him and call him names perhaps because they are anti-military, what do you think is going to happen? What do you think that young veteran is going to do? Wouldnt it have been better if they had been taught to complain to a police officer or security guard that his presence at that school was not wanted perhaps because of his milutary servuce
Jean Womack December 24, 2012 at 02:40 am
My mother was anti military and tried to reach me to be anti military. But she shut up about it after my son graduated from West Point and I told her how proud I was that he graduated from college and had a good career. We lived on welfare for so long because I was so sick from what had been done to me as a child that I could not keep a job. Of course she did not like that either. All she respected was money and I did not have any so I was an outcast from the family. Then she got into playing keepaway so nothing I did to make money met with their approval. Its not much fun to be a scapegoat in a Jewish family.
Jean Womack December 24, 2012 at 02:50 am
But I am NOT going to go get a gun and start shooting at people, but that's because I am 70 years old and have a little more maturity and dedication to a peaceful life. Just because I went to college for about 25 years to get a teaching credential just so some kids could kick a kickball at my head, broke my glasses and gave me a concussion because I wore my badge on a chain around my neck instead of clipped on to my lapel, doesnt mean I am going to do anything except write about it. I am not a veteran and I dont carry a gun, because my dad had me hypnotized to kill myself if I ever got one, because he knew how bad it was, what they were doing to me and he was afraid of me.
Stewart Gooderman December 24, 2012 at 03:41 am
And the fact that you are fully in agreement has just made my day!
Dover December 24, 2012 at 03:19 pm
I see someone has been hitting the eggnog hard and early.
Good for you!
Dick Lapierre January 16, 2013 at 06:33 pm
Wayne LaPierre is an idiot. He's the black sheep of the family. My fervent hope is that he volunteers as an armed guard for a local school. Then when a shooting starts, the cops show up and, naturally, can't really tell who to shoot. So they shoot Wayne. After all, he looks very much like a crazed serial murderer.
shirley kirsten January 16, 2013 at 06:46 pm
Bravo and encore!
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