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A Fair Question for Realtors

Does it really matter what a seller paid for his/her property?

Often, buyers ask their real estate agent what a seller had previously paid for the property. But what difference does it make if a seller paid $300k for their house in 2000 and is now asking $900k? The more relevant question is: “in the last three to six months, what have other homes of similar size, location and condition sold for?"

What I think the buyer is really asking is: “how much of a profit is the seller making and does that seem fair?”

Up until 2005 or so, at the peak of the seller’s market, people were selling homes after owning them for a year or two and making big bucks. No one was really asking if it was “fair” that a seller make a huge profit in a short period of time. Buyers just hoped that their luck would be just as good.

Of course, in hindsight, we now refer to this period as “THE BUBBLE.” When the bubble burst, literally millions of buyers across the country were left with properties worth far less than what they paid. As people started losing their homes in foreclosure, and the banks started looking for bailouts, thus began the “Great Recession.”

Now in 2011, is the question of what a seller paid for their house relevant? Or fair? In two specific cases, I think the answer is yes.

Yes if  the house last sold in 2005 or later. While there are exceptions to the rule, the rule is still that the market has been in decline since 2005. If the seller is asking more than what they paid, or even anything close, it is valid to ask for a justification. Did they do a major remodel? Did they replace the foundation? There should be an explanation. None of the answers may matter though, because the only real metric of “current market value” is what has recently sold. It is completely possible that a seller spent $200k remodeling their house and it is still worth far less than what they paid at the peak.

The second case where I believe it valid to ask what a seller paid is when it was a really recent purchase, like within the last six to nine months. This kind of quick turnover is a sign of a “flipper.” Examples of flippers abound in the market right now, where professional investors purchase a property that has been foreclosed. I’ve seen many cases where the investor puts the property back on the market within days or weeks of his purchase at a much higher price, sometimes with just a new paint job but sometimes without making any repairs or improvements.

How is this justified?

Because the investor thinks he has “outsmarted” the market! He believes he saw value where no one else did.

Maybe it is just me, but I find that attitude pretty amazing. Of course, it could be that I dislike in others what I dislike in myself (arrogance?).  From a buyer’s point of view, whether the seller is making a killing or taking a huge loss, it really doesn’t matter.

The asking price either makes sense in the current market or it doesn't.

Brett Weinstein is broker and co-founder of Realty Advocates, a full-service lower commission brokerage serving Berkeley since 1986. . Brett has also collected an archive of all the murals he's found within Berkeley. Click here to see his collection.

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nick mastick April 28, 2013 at 09:34 pm
Of all the concerns in our society, I put this just about dead last.
Steven Murphy April 17, 2013 at 02:25 am
Hmm. So I think you're telling me I need to add the countdown timers to the long list of BerkeleyRead More idiosyncrasies I need to ignore? I guess can do that. Thanks. --Murph
Alexander Sinclair Merenkov April 15, 2013 at 04:34 pm
This is very interesting. I bicycle and walk a lot around Berkeley. I think i know exactly whatRead More signal is being referred to the walk sign across Bancroft at MLK specifically will reset itself. many of the walk signals rely on induction loops which are loops placed in the ground that can detect Bicycles and Cars when the Bicycles or cars pass over them disrupting the current. You can often see these loops as they look like hexagonal saw cuts in the ground. Anyways the intersection detects traffic with these devices & if it doesn't detect anything then it assumes nothing is there and gives right of way to the major throughway in this case being MLK. So the reason the counter to cross Bancroft resets itself is totally logical because the intersection suspects no one is there and since that side of Bancroft is more or less residential there would be no point in setting that intersection to a timer where it gives priority to one light then the other & switches based on that & not on wether it detects any bicycles or cars passing over the induction loops. Also this is Berkeley and we are rather quirky and always have been so nobody exactly fallows the rules or knows about them its funny how simple crossing the street really is but its anything but simple in reality. Many people choose to jay walk if its safe to do so, this is typical on Shattuck at alston especially and makes sense for efficiency but isn't very safe or lawful. If the hand is flashing/Counting down dont cross!
Janet Scrivener April 6, 2013 at 11:15 pm
Actually, I just saw and spoke to him about an hour ago - the wire sculpture man. He'd moved downRead More Solano a few blocks, opposite Safeway. I asked him if the police had moved him off Colusa. He said he didn't want to talk about it. He wasn't in a very good mood. I told him that people had asked about him on a web local news site. He said, "People want to know how I'm doing? I need a car. I need somewhere to put my stuff in. To get off the streets. I don't want to sit around starving in public." I thought to myself, "Who do I think I am? A Girl Scout leader? Pollyana?" I realized my upbeat, cheery tone was really not what was needed just then. I said I couldn't help him with a car. "People want to know how I'm doing?" he said again. "Tell them that." I said, "I will." I turned to walk away, knowing only too well that the real needs that exist, yes, right here in our lovely, excellent neighborhood, are great and once you start giving you'll find it's difficult to get out of. He did say, "Thank you," as I left. He doesn't look like he's starving. But he's right about being out in public more than he would like to be. As a reasonable human being, I have to ask myself, what sort of person finds himself in that position? Ex con? Mental illness? Mind-blown Vet? Drugs? Alcohol? Incapacitated by an accident? An unforgivable act? Some combination of the above? Jesus did say, "The poor you shall have always with you." What would you do?
P. Park April 4, 2013 at 03:29 am
I agree Shattuck, especially right in front of the fire station is the scariest street around.
Mary April 3, 2013 at 06:45 pm
I am not disabled, but I am terrified of crossing streets nowadays because there are too manyRead More careless and aggressive drivers who act is if red lights, speed limits, and crosswalks either don't exist or don't apply to them. Shattuck in particular has become a nightmare to cross. Sometimes I have counted over 30 cars going by before one stops for the crosswalk. What we need is far more law enforcement - the tickets written would more than pay for the cost of hiring extra officers.